Darmgesundheit, was du testen kannst, die besten Supplements und welche Art von Ballaststoffen Du tatsächlich brauchst. – Interview mit Dr. Grace Liu

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Kurze Zusammenfassung

Dr. Grace Liu ist klinische Pharmazeutin und ausgebildet in funktioneller Medizin. Sie arbeitet seit mehr als 19 Jahren in diesem Bereich und hat sich auf das Management von komplexen Erkrankungen und den Darm spezialisiert.
Sie hat “The Gut Institute” gegründet um ihr Wissen auch an andere Therapeuten weiterzugeben.
Sie ist eine absolute Spezialistin was das Darm-Mikrobiom angeht und ich freue mich, dass ich Grace als Gast bei der Evolution Radio Show begrüßen darf.

Unter anderem in dieser Folge:

  • Probiotika und worauf es bei der Auswahl ankommt. Was sind „Soil Based Probiotics“?
  • Nicht alle Ballaststoffe sind gleich gut. Grace erklärt welche Ballaststoffe ihrer Meinung nach die besten sind und warum.
  • Die Wahrheit über resistente Stärke, rohe Kartoffelstärke und warum Du sie nicht nutzen solltest.
  • Verzicht auf Gluten und Getreide hat enorme Vorteile für den Darm und die Darmgesundheit.
  • Clostridium difficile Infektion und die unglaubliche Wirkung von Stuhltransplantationen
  • Personalisierung der Ernährung anhand der Herkunft. Warum Europäer anders essen sollten, als Asiaten oder Afrikaner.
  • Akazienfaser bei IBS
  • Ballaststoffe aus der Konjac-Wurzel (Glucomannan)
  • Lies das komplette Transkript

    Julia: It's such a pleasure meeting you again. So we met in Berlin this year and it's just really, really nice that you take the time for this interview.

    Dr. Grace Liu: Thank you so much for having me. It was so fun to be in Berlin. Earlier, Paul Jaminet from Perfect Health Diet was one of the speakers at the paleo convention. And I feel so grateful and lucky to fall in his shoes to be one of the speakers at the paleo convention and meet so many wonderful German friends. I actually had taken four years of German but in high school, but I couldn't remember much, so not even ordering food. Everyone's good, so I was in heaven, yeah.

    Julia: So now it's the opportunity to refresh your German.

    Dr. Grace Liu: Yeah.

    Julia: Before we start and before we talk about the gut microbiome and “Scheiße“, could you tell us a little bit about you, about your background on what got you interested in the field of microbiome and gut health?

    Dr. Grace Liu: So for my whole life since teenagers, I was actually very chubby and very tired a lot, and I even had joint pains in high school and college and my friends in pharmacy school, they influenced me and I started running and through running and just naturally changing my diet to a lower carb diet I lost 50 pounds. I had gained a lot of weight after my two children were born. And that was the most effective way that actually I lost the weight. And then I ended up losing the weight pretty permanently, like the last 10 pounds over the years. Like, if I get stressed or when I develop gut problems, then I regained 10 pounds. I probably lost a lot of weight. I lost a lot of muscle, probably, but I regained and lost it. But I really got into microbiome health as I saw how diet and exercise could really affect someone's longevity and drugs weren't necessary. So even though I became a pharmacist through seeing people – when I saw, you know, friends and clients just changed their diet, such as going green free, so many immense changes happened in health. I, observe people who were in wheelchairs. They didn't need to stay in their wheelchair. They could walk again, just cutting out wheat and gluten and grains. Yeah. And many people other than myself lost 30, 40, 50 pounds very easily. And people who had really odd conditions like angina, which is chest pain, heart disease or heart failure, you know, people can't walk, they're so tired, their heart can't function anymore. They would have immense improvements in their health just simply by cutting out wheat, cutting out grain. Yeah. And going slightly lower carb. So this became actually – I moved out of the conventional pharmacy field because I found this is just so compelling. And it brought me closer and closer to discovering more about the gut microbiome.

    Julia: That's interesting. And that you made the connection between all the health changes and the diet changes and the gut microbiome. That's – is it your your training in pharmaceuticals and pharmaceuticals or...?

    Dr. Grace Liu: Probably, you know, Chinese and European medicine, many of them and Indian medicine or Ayurvedic medicine, you know, always try to promote food as medicine. The Greek physician Hippokrates many hundreds of years ago, he said food is medicine. He also said disease starts in the gut and I believe longevity starts in the gut. Yeah, if you're interested in living a better life or if you're an athlete – I work with executives, business executives and endurance athletes and and some MMA fighters. And, you know, they look for better performance. You know, they want to think faster because that means money or they want to play better, faster, right? Because that means money and fame, reputation and everything for them. That's their career. And so I help them to get like you, I do coaching and I help people to achieve that better edge just through diet and then certain supplementation and lab testing.

    Julia: But the importance of the of the gut microbiome, it gets increasingly – acceptance or...?

    Dr. Grace Liu: Yeah, especially when the fecal transplants came out, the microbiome transplants. It's amazing that even my physician friends and my pharmacist friends, they would just be shocked that something's better than drugs actually just works. And it could have 90, 95 or even 98 percent efficacy, a cure rate and actually no drug actually that we have cures anything really. They may just put a Band-Aid on certain symptoms. You know, something like blood pressure or blood sugar may improve, but doesn't mean actually cures anything like diabetes or high blood pressure. But for this infection, it was so effective that they can use something like a donor stool for Calyon and it would work like almost 100 percent in many cases.

    Julia: Yes, for Clostridium, isn't it?

    Dr. Grace Liu: Yes, it's for a very specific condition which is caused – actually Julia – by antibiotics. Too much antibiotics causes Clostridium to overgrow. Yeah. So lacks for the bad bad Clostridium and then they overgrow and more and more antibiotics makes it worse.

    Julia: So in your experience, when you see a client for the first time, what are you looking for? What are your first steps?

    Dr. Grace Liu: Well, I like to assess a couple of things, three things: I assess their ancestry because that helps me to design a more customized diet. Were their ancestors more European and northern European? Were they living near the equator? If they lived more closer to the equator, their ancestry may be more tolerant to carbohydrates. OK, so, yeah, as an athlete or if they require – if they have more glycolic activities, they may, you know, do a little bit better with a little more carbohydrates. And the second thing I assess is their gut. I do various testing. I ask them a lot of questions. And also urine and stool for – stool sampling. And then the third, I assess their mood and fatigue levels. Right, because this gives me a gauge on how their adrenal glands are. In this day and age even children have low adrenal function and they may even have cold hands occasionally, but many adults do. And that's the only thing I have negative about the low carb diet. It can push that too much and people develop cold hands. And then this compromises adrenal function, gut function, actually. Yeah. And thyroid function. So I assess that. And then when we design a plan together to address those factors.

    Julia: Do you think it's just because of of the the lack of a fiber or are there other nutrients lacking in the Low-carb or a lower carb diet?

    Dr. Grace Liu: Well, with a low carb diet, cortisol may be higher, and if they cycle the carbohydrates, I find that's a lot more effective and then they don't have those adverse effects. They don't have the bad effects. But when the cortisol is higher or adrenaline higher, we do lose more minerals. So there is a higher mineral requirement. The more someone's doing like a cathartic low-carb diet – like minerals, like zinc, magnesium, calcium and sometimes iodine. So all the trace minerals and magnesium are always helpful to supplement. If they're in adrenal exhaustion, I reckon a more moderate carb diet temporarily and actually even salt, especially if they have dizziness and then they don't have any problems with eating salt. But a high quality salt helps to improve the adrenal function and ... actually a better tolerance for carbs and everything else.

    Julia: If someone would have to follow a Ketose Ketogen diet due to particular reasons – What are the most important things they could do to to help their gut...?

    Dr. Grace Liu: Yeah, well three things: exercise which always helps the gut and not overdoing it. But if they like to do HIIT, that's always great. But yeah, the other two things are really particular for the gut. Probiotics like a really good probiotic – I found actually some really good ones at the pharmacy in Germany. Many good ones. Yeah, yeah. Like one called Flora M, I think. It's actually by a drug company, but it had a lot of the brands that I would – a lot of the bacterial strains that I would use. Yeah. And then some fiber. You know, I love salad, you know, but one cup of salad only has about one or two grams of fiber. So occasionally, if they're doing carbohydrate refeeding, you know, they may consider a little bit of lentils or beans or brown rice or black or black rice, wild rice. You know, a small amount is actually about like eight to 10 grams of fiber, just a small like one third cup to half a cup.

    Julia: But just leafy greens – wouldn't be enough fiber in there?

    Dr. Grace Liu: Yeah, you have to eat so much. And ancestrally – many estimates are that the ancestral human homosapien ate about one hundred and thirty to one hundred fifty grams of fiber a day. And now, you know, in our industrial world, we barely get even ten. And then on the paleo diet, I think unless there is the cooked resistant starches, it's usually 10 or 20 at the most. Yeah. So it's hard to do that. But I developed something called bionic fiber and you can just take supplements of different fibers to get up to 20 or 30 grams in addition to what someone's already taking – So a good paleo diet may provide 20 to 30 grams of fiber,.

    Julia: Then you could supplement with your product or some other fiber product. Are there differences in fiber quality? Is there anything one can look for?

    Dr. Grace Liu: Yeah, I mean, the common ones are like organic psyllium, anything organic, organic acacia. That's awesome. Really good for IBS. When someone has like diarrhea, constipation. Psyllium's also very good for both diarrhea, constipation and weight loss. They actually do help weight loss. And I use many other combinations. One that is particularly really good for sensitizing insulin comes from the konjak root and it's called glucomannan, but it swells up 20 times. So you must drink a lot of water and only use a teeny amount in the beginning to get used to it. You have more gas or problems. And yeah, must drink a lot of water, only use a small amount like half a teaspoon for big cup of water. Yeah. Because it's – actually children have died eating a candy made out of glucomannan because it swelled in the throat or somewhere and it blocked the gut. Yeah it is very dangerous but there's big warnings actually when you buy glucomannan. But glucomannan is really awesome. It's actually been shown to improve insulin sensitivity and help with weight loss. Numerous studies in humans. Yeah. it's a traditional part of the diet. Yeah. In I think maybe parts of Russia, the southern part and then northern Korea and Asia and Japan. In fact the centenarians and longer lived Japanese eat konjak as a jelly because they make noodles naturally and eat it every day.

    Julia: Really? OK.

    Dr. Grace Liu: And it's low calorie. No, no carbs and low calorie.

    Julia: Didn't know that it's that beneficial for the gut. I wasn't aware of that.

    Dr. Grace Liu: It's a secret.

    Julia: Since you mentioned it briefly just a few minutes ago, resistant starch. Is it something you would look into? Is it something someone can or should even supplement or what's your take on it?

    Dr. Grace Liu: Well, there's no supplementation really right now on the market. And the best source is eating the whole food. Don't eat raw. The raw is not ancestral. Every carbohydrate on earth is actually toxic, right? Yeah, they phytins, lectins and particularly they have a lot of antitrypsin, they have trips inhibiters, they inhibit our own stomach acid. So the downstream problem of eating anything raw that's a carbohydrate is it not may be fatal, but it can cause pancreatic hypertrophy, pancreatic adenoma and other problems because digestion gets really severely disrupted if it's eaten every day. Yeah, but cooked starches are part of actually every culture, especially around the equator. Yeah, and even parts of northern Europe, I found out in northern Asia, they had some grains, small grains that were eaten during the Paleolithic actually legumes and small grains, but they processed them a lot, they soaked them in water, they fermented them in water overnight or over several days. And sometimes even after cooking them, they would sour the starch sour like the millet or bean and make it ... Yeah. So actually, like a lot of the German dishes, I really, like, enjoy, you know, the sauerkraut. I, I didn't look into a lot of history, but I wouldn't be surprised if something starchy was soured.

    Julia: Yeah. Sour dough bread –

    Dr. Grace Liu: Obviously bread. But it has to be processed the old fashioned way.

    Julia: There are a few bakeries trying to do it the old fashioned way. They sour it for 48 hours. So I think it should be better or should be beneficial to the –

    Dr. Grace Liu: Yeah, and then some studies actually have found some sour dough bread is OK for even celiac people who are really allergic to gluten, but they have to be soured for like 90 or 100 days. So there's then the bacteria. Yeah, the bacteria break all the gluten down.

    Julia: Oh, that's. Yeah –

    Dr. Grace Liu: Yeah, yeah. Or a company hopefully will make it but I like some resistant starches if I'm working out a lot like I'll eat purple potatoes, cooked purple potatoes and rice, brown rice. Those, are just things I usually will have or, or cook lentils and chicken soup.

    Julia: Do you let it cool down?

    Dr. Grace Liu: You know, in Asian medicine, everything needs to be hot. This is the best for digestion. And when you've aweful digestion, you make more acid. Right. And when there's high acid production, all the starches have more of a chance of becoming resistant and becoming fiber. But if we eat things cold, our digestion is not optimal. The enzymes don't work as well. Right? Even just one degree below thirty seven degrees Celsius. Our digestion enzymes work maybe a third to a half as efficient. Yeah, the like the pancreatic enzymes, the protein, the enzymes that break down meat and protein, enzymes that break carbohydrates, the enzymes that break down fats, they only work like like much less if the temperature is lower. Yeah, yeah. Because they like the body temperature, 37 degrees Celsius or higher. So I actually eat everything warm.

    Julia: Yeah, I was just thinking about the forming of the resistant starch. I thought it forms when rice is cooked and cooled down.

    Dr. Grace Liu: It is this but the other chemical way is with acid. So either eating it with sauerkraut where the acidity from sauerkraut affects the acid, which if you're already eating it in a meal, no matter what, it gets all ground up and mixed. Yeah. Or like after a salad with vinegar and salad dressing. Or someone just has – they're really healthy and they make a lot of acid in their stomach. And normally you know how low the pH is in the stomach?

    Julia: Around three or between one and four?

    Dr. Grace Liu: Yeah, one, two or three. Yeah. So that's really quite profound. I used to work in the lab and my shirts when I work with pH 2 would get little holes in it just from like the air. No splashing at all. Just the air was acidic. It would make all these tiny holes in my shirt. So it's really acidic and that's why the stomach is so thick to protect against it. So we're meant to have a lot of acid, but because a lot of people can develop health problems, they may not make as much. And then then it's helpful to take some supplementation.

    Julia: And you mentioned before that you have found some good probiotics in the pharmacies here in Germany or in Germany but you make your own.

    Dr. Grace Liu: Yeah. It's called Bifodo Maximus. It's at our store at thegutinstitute.com – Yeah, you can have it in your notes. And we, it's such a great game changer for people who have digestive issues or even they're just athletes and are trying to get better. Yeah. We all like people feel so much better on it and their brain fog improves, goes, improves, and they have better mental clarity. Body fat goes down often we hear all the time people lose weight on it. It's crazy. And people with any kind of fatigue, they start to get slowly better.

    Julia: What's the big difference between your product and others on the market? I'm aware that there are different kind of bacterial strains and and composition's is it..?

    Dr. Grace Liu: So it's formulated to emulate, to be like what breast milk is, healthy breast milk. So if someone's had antibiotics or if their mom wasn't really healthy or they had a C-section birth, a surgery for their birth, they may not get all the strains their, you know, their mom would have handed down to them. So in other words, you know, they don't inherit the good flora from their mom some. So somewhere somewhere it gets it's departed from what should happen from the ancestral point of view. So we can replace that. OK, so these are the main strains I found in a lot of breast milk or what get transferred during a vaginal birth. And so it replaces kind of that and it's in a high enough concentration that they can actually enter the gut and stay in the gut. So they in other words, they anchor. Yeah, they can anchor stay in the gut. OK, right.

    Julia: Do you ship to Europe?

    Dr. Grace Liu: I do ship to Europe, I ship everywhere, including Sweden, because, you know, as long as it's not medicinal, everything's OK.

    Julia: So we can link of course to it in the show notes, to your website, to the gut institute, to your shop, to the probiotics. We are slowly running out of time, and it's just so much to talk about. For all the people who can't see you in person or can't visit you in California, how could anyone living in Europe, living in Germany and Austria, get in touch with you? Do you do skype consultations and you probably have some kind of course in the in the –

    Dr. Grace Liu: So like you wer'e starting the online classes, so I'm so excited to hear about your classes that you're doing, Julia, that's so exciting. You can reach so many, so many awesome people and clients and they can learn more about diet and paleo lifestyles. So we're offering an online class to help with gut health. It will address brain fog, bloating and body fat issues. And we think we're going to run it for about four months and it's going to start shortly in a couple weeks. And to find out more information, they can look at thegutinstitute.com – It is going to be taught by a friend of mine and myself. And we both have a lot of experience with autoimmunity as well. So we're very excited that we can roll this out and have more people. Right now, my practice is actually full until December. Yeah. So this is another opportunity and we're just really excited to offer this.

    Julia: Sound's great. So it's just another opportunity for to reach a lot of people, a lot more people than you could just on with one on one coaching. So it's a wonderful idea. And I think you will help a lot of people.

    Dr. Grace Liu: We hope so, yeah, it's very exciting and we're going to offer a before and after gut test, it's actually a urine test as to look at what's going on in the gut. Yes, I'm really excited. And these can ship all over the world as well.

    Julia: Wow, awesome. Thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate this. And I'm sure as well it was a lot of good information, and I hope a lot of Austrian and German people are going to your website and and visit your course because you're just an amazing person and really the gut goddess.

    Dr. Grace Liu: Oh, you're too sweet, Julia. I was just so glad to meet you and your husband Leonard at the Berlin conference. That was so fun. It was so neat to meet so many people, like, so enthusiastic about this awesome lifestyle. And, yeah, whatever I can do to help the movement in Berlin and Germany and Europe, I think it's I feel such a pleasure to do so. Thank you so much for having me on.

 

Wie man SIBO heilt – 7 Schritte von Dr. Grace Liu

Schritt 1 – Fermentierte Lebensmittel essen

Schritt 2 –Pflanzen essen, die reich an resistenter Stärke sind

Schritt 3 – Probiotika aus der Erde (Soil Based Probiotics)

Schritt 4 – Iss BIONIC FIBER und reduziere Körperfett

Schritt 5 – Bewegung: moderate Aktivität, mindestens 10 000 Schritte pro Tag

Schritt 6 – Allergene vermeiden (Mais, Soja, Gluten, Weizen, Milch, Eiweißetc).GMO vermeiden und tierische Produkte aus Massentierhaltung

Schritt Sieben – Hormone und Immunsystem heilen — Leber und Nebennieren unterstützen, Antioxidantien, Stressmanagement, Schlaf, etc

Was ist BIONIC FIBER?

Inulin-FOS

Acacia

Arabinogalactan

Modified Citrus Pectin

Chlorella

Glucomannan (MAX: 1/4 to 1/2 tsp with 2 cups water)

FOS, Fructo Oligosaccharide

GOS/beta-glucan, Galacto Oligosaccharide (Galactommune)

Pectin

Psyllium

PrePhage Prebiotic

Triphala, 3 organic fruit powders

FiberMEND (rice bran, arabinogalactan, pectin, prune, green tea, guar)

PaleoFiber (Acacia, guar, cranberry seed powder, carrot, inulin, citrus, glucomannan, psyllium, flax, prune with La-14, Bifidobacterium longum)

TruFiber (Sunfiber, Inulin, Resistant Oligosaccharides)

Triple Intestinal Cleanse Prebiotics (Psyllium, Triphala, Acacia)

PureLean Fiber (Creafibre, Sunfiber, flax, guar, glucomannan, rice bran, prune)

Amazing Grass, Berry (with SBO probiotics)

Raw Reserve AG, Berry (with SBO probiotics)

Fibersol-2 (Resistant Oligosaccharide)

Ultra Fiber PLUS (Resistant Oligosaccharide, 12 prebiotics + L. acidophilus)

Short Summery:

Dr. Grace Liu PharmD is a trained functional medicine practitioner and clinical pharmacist with a doctorate in practice for 19+ years and specializes in complex disease management. Dr. Liu consults and helps clients gain optimal performance through rebuilding the microbiome after damage from modern living. She uses nutrigenomic tools and other advanced functional lab testing. Clients include paleo movement leaders and a UFC MMA fighter in the top 10. In 2014, she founded The Gut Institute and is training functional medicine leaders to approach gut protocols with her expertise. She has been invited to speak at Ancestral Health Symposium, PaleoFx for two years in a row, interviewed for a documentary movie (by ‘Microbirth’ producers) and Women’s Health UK magazine on the skin-gut microbiome. Recently she shared the stage with Dr David Perlmutter (author, Grain Brain) on the Expert Microbiome Panel at Paleof(x)16 in Austin, Texas.

She has also been interviewed for the Keto Summit, Detox Summit, Robb Wolf podcast, Endurance Planet, and Bulletproof Radio with Dave Asprey. She is currently finishing a book on the topic “The Amazing Gut: The Magic and Madness of the Microbiome”, scheduled to be released in October 2016. The Gut Institute will be hosting Microbiome Medicine, live training on December 3-4th, 2016 in Oakland California. Dr Grace is co-teaching with 2 other doctorate trained Functional Pharmacists Dr Anh Nguyen, PharmD BCACP and Dr Erika Gray, PharmD.

Lies das komplette Transkript

Julia: It's such a pleasure meeting you again. So we met in Berlin this year and it's just really, really nice that you take the time for this interview.

Dr. Grace Liu: Thank you so much for having me. It was so fun to be in Berlin. Earlier, Paul Jaminet from Perfect Health Diet was one of the speakers at the paleo convention. And I feel so grateful and lucky to fall in his shoes to be one of the speakers at the paleo convention and meet so many wonderful German friends. I actually had taken four years of German but in high school, but I couldn't remember much, so not even ordering food. Everyone's good, so I was in heaven, yeah.

Julia: So now it's the opportunity to refresh your German.

Dr. Grace Liu: Yeah.

Julia: Before we start and before we talk about the gut microbiome and “Scheiße“, could you tell us a little bit about you, about your background on what got you interested in the field of microbiome and gut health?

Dr. Grace Liu: So for my whole life since teenagers, I was actually very chubby and very tired a lot, and I even had joint pains in high school and college and my friends in pharmacy school, they influenced me and I started running and through running and just naturally changing my diet to a lower carb diet I lost 50 pounds. I had gained a lot of weight after my two children were born. And that was the most effective way that actually I lost the weight. And then I ended up losing the weight pretty permanently, like the last 10 pounds over the years. Like, if I get stressed or when I develop gut problems, then I regained 10 pounds. I probably lost a lot of weight. I lost a lot of muscle, probably, but I regained and lost it. But I really got into microbiome health as I saw how diet and exercise could really affect someone's longevity and drugs weren't necessary. So even though I became a pharmacist through seeing people – when I saw, you know, friends and clients just changed their diet, such as going green free, so many immense changes happened in health. I, observe people who were in wheelchairs. They didn't need to stay in their wheelchair. They could walk again, just cutting out wheat and gluten and grains. Yeah. And many people other than myself lost 30, 40, 50 pounds very easily. And people who had really odd conditions like angina, which is chest pain, heart disease or heart failure, you know, people can't walk, they're so tired, their heart can't function anymore. They would have immense improvements in their health just simply by cutting out wheat, cutting out grain. Yeah. And going slightly lower carb. So this became actually – I moved out of the conventional pharmacy field because I found this is just so compelling. And it brought me closer and closer to discovering more about the gut microbiome.

Julia: That's interesting. And that you made the connection between all the health changes and the diet changes and the gut microbiome. That's – is it your your training in pharmaceuticals and pharmaceuticals or...?

Dr. Grace Liu: Probably, you know, Chinese and European medicine, many of them and Indian medicine or Ayurvedic medicine, you know, always try to promote food as medicine. The Greek physician Hippokrates many hundreds of years ago, he said food is medicine. He also said disease starts in the gut and I believe longevity starts in the gut. Yeah, if you're interested in living a better life or if you're an athlete – I work with executives, business executives and endurance athletes and and some MMA fighters. And, you know, they look for better performance. You know, they want to think faster because that means money or they want to play better, faster, right? Because that means money and fame, reputation and everything for them. That's their career. And so I help them to get like you, I do coaching and I help people to achieve that better edge just through diet and then certain supplementation and lab testing.

Julia: But the importance of the of the gut microbiome, it gets increasingly – acceptance or...?

Dr. Grace Liu: Yeah, especially when the fecal transplants came out, the microbiome transplants. It's amazing that even my physician friends and my pharmacist friends, they would just be shocked that something's better than drugs actually just works. And it could have 90, 95 or even 98 percent efficacy, a cure rate and actually no drug actually that we have cures anything really. They may just put a Band-Aid on certain symptoms. You know, something like blood pressure or blood sugar may improve, but doesn't mean actually cures anything like diabetes or high blood pressure. But for this infection, it was so effective that they can use something like a donor stool for Calyon and it would work like almost 100 percent in many cases.

Julia: Yes, for Clostridium, isn't it?

Dr. Grace Liu: Yes, it's for a very specific condition which is caused – actually Julia – by antibiotics. Too much antibiotics causes Clostridium to overgrow. Yeah. So lacks for the bad bad Clostridium and then they overgrow and more and more antibiotics makes it worse.

Julia: So in your experience, when you see a client for the first time, what are you looking for? What are your first steps?

Dr. Grace Liu: Well, I like to assess a couple of things, three things: I assess their ancestry because that helps me to design a more customized diet. Were their ancestors more European and northern European? Were they living near the equator? If they lived more closer to the equator, their ancestry may be more tolerant to carbohydrates. OK, so, yeah, as an athlete or if they require – if they have more glycolic activities, they may, you know, do a little bit better with a little more carbohydrates. And the second thing I assess is their gut. I do various testing. I ask them a lot of questions. And also urine and stool for – stool sampling. And then the third, I assess their mood and fatigue levels. Right, because this gives me a gauge on how their adrenal glands are. In this day and age even children have low adrenal function and they may even have cold hands occasionally, but many adults do. And that's the only thing I have negative about the low carb diet. It can push that too much and people develop cold hands. And then this compromises adrenal function, gut function, actually. Yeah. And thyroid function. So I assess that. And then when we design a plan together to address those factors.

Julia: Do you think it's just because of of the the lack of a fiber or are there other nutrients lacking in the Low-carb or a lower carb diet?

Dr. Grace Liu: Well, with a low carb diet, cortisol may be higher, and if they cycle the carbohydrates, I find that's a lot more effective and then they don't have those adverse effects. They don't have the bad effects. But when the cortisol is higher or adrenaline higher, we do lose more minerals. So there is a higher mineral requirement. The more someone's doing like a cathartic low-carb diet – like minerals, like zinc, magnesium, calcium and sometimes iodine. So all the trace minerals and magnesium are always helpful to supplement. If they're in adrenal exhaustion, I reckon a more moderate carb diet temporarily and actually even salt, especially if they have dizziness and then they don't have any problems with eating salt. But a high quality salt helps to improve the adrenal function and ... actually a better tolerance for carbs and everything else.

Julia: If someone would have to follow a Ketose Ketogen diet due to particular reasons – What are the most important things they could do to to help their gut...?

Dr. Grace Liu: Yeah, well three things: exercise which always helps the gut and not overdoing it. But if they like to do HIIT, that's always great. But yeah, the other two things are really particular for the gut. Probiotics like a really good probiotic – I found actually some really good ones at the pharmacy in Germany. Many good ones. Yeah, yeah. Like one called Flora M, I think. It's actually by a drug company, but it had a lot of the brands that I would – a lot of the bacterial strains that I would use. Yeah. And then some fiber. You know, I love salad, you know, but one cup of salad only has about one or two grams of fiber. So occasionally, if they're doing carbohydrate refeeding, you know, they may consider a little bit of lentils or beans or brown rice or black or black rice, wild rice. You know, a small amount is actually about like eight to 10 grams of fiber, just a small like one third cup to half a cup.

Julia: But just leafy greens – wouldn't be enough fiber in there?

Dr. Grace Liu: Yeah, you have to eat so much. And ancestrally – many estimates are that the ancestral human homosapien ate about one hundred and thirty to one hundred fifty grams of fiber a day. And now, you know, in our industrial world, we barely get even ten. And then on the paleo diet, I think unless there is the cooked resistant starches, it's usually 10 or 20 at the most. Yeah. So it's hard to do that. But I developed something called bionic fiber and you can just take supplements of different fibers to get up to 20 or 30 grams in addition to what someone's already taking – So a good paleo diet may provide 20 to 30 grams of fiber,.

Julia: Then you could supplement with your product or some other fiber product. Are there differences in fiber quality? Is there anything one can look for?

Dr. Grace Liu: Yeah, I mean, the common ones are like organic psyllium, anything organic, organic acacia. That's awesome. Really good for IBS. When someone has like diarrhea, constipation. Psyllium's also very good for both diarrhea, constipation and weight loss. They actually do help weight loss. And I use many other combinations. One that is particularly really good for sensitizing insulin comes from the konjak root and it's called glucomannan, but it swells up 20 times. So you must drink a lot of water and only use a teeny amount in the beginning to get used to it. You have more gas or problems. And yeah, must drink a lot of water, only use a small amount like half a teaspoon for big cup of water. Yeah. Because it's – actually children have died eating a candy made out of glucomannan because it swelled in the throat or somewhere and it blocked the gut. Yeah it is very dangerous but there's big warnings actually when you buy glucomannan. But glucomannan is really awesome. It's actually been shown to improve insulin sensitivity and help with weight loss. Numerous studies in humans. Yeah. it's a traditional part of the diet. Yeah. In I think maybe parts of Russia, the southern part and then northern Korea and Asia and Japan. In fact the centenarians and longer lived Japanese eat konjak as a jelly because they make noodles naturally and eat it every day.

Julia: Really? OK.

Dr. Grace Liu: And it's low calorie. No, no carbs and low calorie.

Julia: Didn't know that it's that beneficial for the gut. I wasn't aware of that.

Dr. Grace Liu: It's a secret.

Julia: Since you mentioned it briefly just a few minutes ago, resistant starch. Is it something you would look into? Is it something someone can or should even supplement or what's your take on it?

Dr. Grace Liu: Well, there's no supplementation really right now on the market. And the best source is eating the whole food. Don't eat raw. The raw is not ancestral. Every carbohydrate on earth is actually toxic, right? Yeah, they phytins, lectins and particularly they have a lot of antitrypsin, they have trips inhibiters, they inhibit our own stomach acid. So the downstream problem of eating anything raw that's a carbohydrate is it not may be fatal, but it can cause pancreatic hypertrophy, pancreatic adenoma and other problems because digestion gets really severely disrupted if it's eaten every day. Yeah, but cooked starches are part of actually every culture, especially around the equator. Yeah, and even parts of northern Europe, I found out in northern Asia, they had some grains, small grains that were eaten during the Paleolithic actually legumes and small grains, but they processed them a lot, they soaked them in water, they fermented them in water overnight or over several days. And sometimes even after cooking them, they would sour the starch sour like the millet or bean and make it ... Yeah. So actually, like a lot of the German dishes, I really, like, enjoy, you know, the sauerkraut. I, I didn't look into a lot of history, but I wouldn't be surprised if something starchy was soured.

Julia: Yeah. Sour dough bread –

Dr. Grace Liu: Obviously bread. But it has to be processed the old fashioned way.

Julia: There are a few bakeries trying to do it the old fashioned way. They sour it for 48 hours. So I think it should be better or should be beneficial to the –

Dr. Grace Liu: Yeah, and then some studies actually have found some sour dough bread is OK for even celiac people who are really allergic to gluten, but they have to be soured for like 90 or 100 days. So there's then the bacteria. Yeah, the bacteria break all the gluten down.

Julia: Oh, that's. Yeah –

Dr. Grace Liu: Yeah, yeah. Or a company hopefully will make it but I like some resistant starches if I'm working out a lot like I'll eat purple potatoes, cooked purple potatoes and rice, brown rice. Those, are just things I usually will have or, or cook lentils and chicken soup.

Julia: Do you let it cool down?

Dr. Grace Liu: You know, in Asian medicine, everything needs to be hot. This is the best for digestion. And when you've aweful digestion, you make more acid. Right. And when there's high acid production, all the starches have more of a chance of becoming resistant and becoming fiber. But if we eat things cold, our digestion is not optimal. The enzymes don't work as well. Right? Even just one degree below thirty seven degrees Celsius. Our digestion enzymes work maybe a third to a half as efficient. Yeah, the like the pancreatic enzymes, the protein, the enzymes that break down meat and protein, enzymes that break carbohydrates, the enzymes that break down fats, they only work like like much less if the temperature is lower. Yeah, yeah. Because they like the body temperature, 37 degrees Celsius or higher. So I actually eat everything warm.

Julia: Yeah, I was just thinking about the forming of the resistant starch. I thought it forms when rice is cooked and cooled down.

Dr. Grace Liu: It is this but the other chemical way is with acid. So either eating it with sauerkraut where the acidity from sauerkraut affects the acid, which if you're already eating it in a meal, no matter what, it gets all ground up and mixed. Yeah. Or like after a salad with vinegar and salad dressing. Or someone just has – they're really healthy and they make a lot of acid in their stomach. And normally you know how low the pH is in the stomach?

Julia: Around three or between one and four?

Dr. Grace Liu: Yeah, one, two or three. Yeah. So that's really quite profound. I used to work in the lab and my shirts when I work with pH 2 would get little holes in it just from like the air. No splashing at all. Just the air was acidic. It would make all these tiny holes in my shirt. So it's really acidic and that's why the stomach is so thick to protect against it. So we're meant to have a lot of acid, but because a lot of people can develop health problems, they may not make as much. And then then it's helpful to take some supplementation.

Julia: And you mentioned before that you have found some good probiotics in the pharmacies here in Germany or in Germany but you make your own.

Dr. Grace Liu: Yeah. It's called Bifodo Maximus. It's at our store at thegutinstitute.com – Yeah, you can have it in your notes. And we, it's such a great game changer for people who have digestive issues or even they're just athletes and are trying to get better. Yeah. We all like people feel so much better on it and their brain fog improves, goes, improves, and they have better mental clarity. Body fat goes down often we hear all the time people lose weight on it. It's crazy. And people with any kind of fatigue, they start to get slowly better.

Julia: What's the big difference between your product and others on the market? I'm aware that there are different kind of bacterial strains and and composition's is it..?

Dr. Grace Liu: So it's formulated to emulate, to be like what breast milk is, healthy breast milk. So if someone's had antibiotics or if their mom wasn't really healthy or they had a C-section birth, a surgery for their birth, they may not get all the strains their, you know, their mom would have handed down to them. So in other words, you know, they don't inherit the good flora from their mom some. So somewhere somewhere it gets it's departed from what should happen from the ancestral point of view. So we can replace that. OK, so these are the main strains I found in a lot of breast milk or what get transferred during a vaginal birth. And so it replaces kind of that and it's in a high enough concentration that they can actually enter the gut and stay in the gut. So they in other words, they anchor. Yeah, they can anchor stay in the gut. OK, right.

Julia: Do you ship to Europe?

Dr. Grace Liu: I do ship to Europe, I ship everywhere, including Sweden, because, you know, as long as it's not medicinal, everything's OK.

Julia: So we can link of course to it in the show notes, to your website, to the gut institute, to your shop, to the probiotics. We are slowly running out of time, and it's just so much to talk about. For all the people who can't see you in person or can't visit you in California, how could anyone living in Europe, living in Germany and Austria, get in touch with you? Do you do skype consultations and you probably have some kind of course in the in the –

Dr. Grace Liu: So like you wer'e starting the online classes, so I'm so excited to hear about your classes that you're doing, Julia, that's so exciting. You can reach so many, so many awesome people and clients and they can learn more about diet and paleo lifestyles. So we're offering an online class to help with gut health. It will address brain fog, bloating and body fat issues. And we think we're going to run it for about four months and it's going to start shortly in a couple weeks. And to find out more information, they can look at thegutinstitute.com – It is going to be taught by a friend of mine and myself. And we both have a lot of experience with autoimmunity as well. So we're very excited that we can roll this out and have more people. Right now, my practice is actually full until December. Yeah. So this is another opportunity and we're just really excited to offer this.

Julia: Sound's great. So it's just another opportunity for to reach a lot of people, a lot more people than you could just on with one on one coaching. So it's a wonderful idea. And I think you will help a lot of people.

Dr. Grace Liu: We hope so, yeah, it's very exciting and we're going to offer a before and after gut test, it's actually a urine test as to look at what's going on in the gut. Yes, I'm really excited. And these can ship all over the world as well.

Julia: Wow, awesome. Thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate this. And I'm sure as well it was a lot of good information, and I hope a lot of Austrian and German people are going to your website and and visit your course because you're just an amazing person and really the gut goddess.

Dr. Grace Liu: Oh, you're too sweet, Julia. I was just so glad to meet you and your husband Leonard at the Berlin conference. That was so fun. It was so neat to meet so many people, like, so enthusiastic about this awesome lifestyle. And, yeah, whatever I can do to help the movement in Berlin and Germany and Europe, I think it's I feel such a pleasure to do so. Thank you so much for having me on.

How To Cure SIBO

(Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth)

Dr. Grace’s 7-Steps

Step One – Eat Fermented Foods

Step Two – Eat Resistant-Starch-Rich Tubers, Grains, Legumes and Pulses

Step Three – Eat Soil-Based Probiotics

Step Four – Eat BIONIC FIBER and Burn Body Fat

Step Five – Exercise low-moderate intensity one hour daily continuously (10,000 steps)

Step Six – Avoid allergenic foods (corn, soy, gluten/wheat, dairy, nuts, egg whites, etc). Avoid GMO products and livestock/poultry fed GMO crops (corn, soy, etc)

Step Seven – Heal hormones and immunity — take adrenal support, liver support, antioxidants etc

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https://thegutinstitute.com/gut-guardians-podcast

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Darm S.O.S

Ich habe dieses Buch so gestaltet, dass du alle Informationen bekommst um deinen Darm wieder in Ordnung zu bringen. Das heißt du bekommst nicht nur einen Ratgeber sondern viele weitere Informationen, die dir helfen werden deinen Darm wieder in Ordnung zu bringen. Auch Rezepte für die Zeit nach der Heilung sind enthalten. Folgende Veränderungen kannst du wahrscheinlich schon in den ersten Wochen beobachten: • Weniger Blähungen • Gewichtsverlust • Verringerte Infektanfälligkeit • Besserer Schlaf • Weniger Kopfweh, Migräne • Verbessertes Hautbild Aus dem Inhalt • Diagnostik o Was soll ich meinen Arzt fragen und welche Befunde sind wichtig? • Programm: Auslöser (sogenannte Trigger) entfernen • Aufbau der Darmflora: So kommt der Darm wieder in Ordnung • Nahrungsergänzungsmittel (Supplements) • Besserer Lebensstil für einen gesunden Darm • Arbeitsblätter & Anhänge o Was du immer zu Hause haben solltest o 11-seitiger Ernährungsleitfaden o mit allen Grundlagen einer gesunden Ernährung o Die 30 Tage Eliminationsdiät o 10 wichtige Paleorezepte

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Geht’s dem Darm nicht gut leidet mehr als nur die Figur. Auch unsere Haut, Gemüt, Immunabwehr und unser insgesamtes Wohlbefinden werden beeinflusst. Erfahre die Hintergründe, Tipps & was du immer zuhause haben solltest.

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Julia Tulipan ist Biologin (Mag.) und Master of Science in klinischer Ernährungsmedizin. Sie ist Speakerin, Dozentin und Best Seller Autorin ("Keto Kompass") und schreibt für verschiedene Magazine (u.a. Super You)sowie für ihr eigenes Blog JuliaTulipan.com vor allem zu den Themen ketogene und artgerechte Ernährung und Bewegung. Julia hat selbst lange mit ihrer Gesundheit gekämpft. So wurde ihr Interesse an gesunder Ernährung geweckt. Seither hat sie sich mit Low Carb und der Keto-Ernährung Stück für Stück mehr Lebensqualität zurück erkämpft.

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